DSS Bats

The OVERALL State of Softball in N.Cal and NV

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I have been watching the number of teams decline in tourneys for awhile now, it seems there might be too many choices on a given weekend for a team to play, are teams not playing as much as they used to? has the economy stopped players from playing or do they still find a way to play.

What would you suggest to tourney directors to try to get a better draw at a tourney? Offer less tourneys a month, different prizes?

Do you think a 3 game guarantee is good or bad?

less tourneys every weekend ..... there is an nsa tourney from every dir every sat same with u trip ...... 5 team tourneys suck ..... same amount of teams playing but they dont have to travel

3gg make the tourneys to long thats for sure, played a 8 team tourney saturday 8am till 9:30pm...

One of our coaches once said he felt the 3 gg was not good for the team, if you suck that day, you suck, go 0-2 and have a drink w your friends? Do you as players think the 3gg ads value to the tourney?

I think there are to many tournys per weekend. I like 3gg as a player.

To many tourneys in one weekend has flooded the market.. Why there is 3 NSA and 3 diffrent utrip on the same day is beyond me. Get in your cars and drive 1 hour to play ball.

3 Game guarantee are weak if it's an elimination bracket. after the first loss your second game is mealiness.

I like 3/4 guarantee in a round robin single elim bracket.

them 2gg - nobody wants to play till past 10pm

easy for u to say dumb ass u are not forking out 300 dollars the [people who do pay want that 3rd chance gtow a set of balls

if your sorry team keeps going o-fer then stay at your regular league night

I think you would probably get more new teams if they started to police the matrix right. Another if players are ranked in D you make them stay in D for at least 2yrs before they can play down. Let E be for the guys that want to start out and give them hope that some sandbagging team isn't going to come in and make them their a$$. Also there are to many tournies going on in one weekend and it is flooding the market. The problem you got these days are if a team gets bumped from E to D they changed their name and stay in E the following year because they are scared of the comp. Just my two cents. If you want to bash me please don't be a SISY LALA and post your name so I can buy you a bear next time I run in to you.

The problem is with the directors and assoc. I have seen 3 different tournys offered on the same day by the same NSA director. Then you can have the other NSA and UTrip directors have'n tournys that same day as well. I like the 3gg but would like to see a change to no D chips in E and no HR either (back in the day they were 2gg but there wasn't as much sandbag'n / tricked out bats so the comp. was a bit more even and you'd see 12-20+ teams) - IT"S E for a reason! Don't really care about prize packages cuz I play to be play'n not what I might win. I mean really - prize packages of; a NIW bat - bat bags - pullovers and shirts/hats is a bit much. But all the TDs are try'n to bribe guys with big prize packages to play in thier tournys.

ask big daddy, jz and brian why do they need to run tournaments every weekend?

Dont need to ask - cuz it's easy money! Rent a field - hire a couple guys to ump and collect/count your money! If the payout wasn't that good they wouldn't be doing it cuz they sure aren't doing it for the love of the game!

Couldn't said it better

3gg's suck unless it's a round robin which then turns into a single elim. Far too long of a day in bracket play. Directors have turn this into a full time job so they have flooded the market. And lastly the matrix is not working. As teams became less and less it allows the good teams to stack their roster. When this happens it creates a dramatic fall off in talent even in the same division therefore teams break up and drop down so they can compete. People always want to bring up the sand bagging theory but the fact is not many teams have sponsors therefore no one enjoys paying out the money and not have a chance.

Does it really matter if they do it for the love of the game? Would your wife let you run softball tourneys every weekend for free? Or "FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME?" The reason they have tourneys every week is cause they can and will untill teams stop comming out! It makes perfect sence to me. Keep taking there money till they stop giving it! Just like vegas..p.s.3gg suck...if your 0-2 why in the world would you want to go 0-3? Hahaha

Mitzi, you know the answers and are as frustrated as I am. Too many tourneys. No idea why 6 team tourneys are fun or that profitable. I myself would rather have 20 customers at 10% less profit than 5 at regular cost. Cheating. Bats, players and TD's not enforcing it. Why would a lower level team want to play against teams that have been together for 3 yrs in the same division not trying at all to move up? I myself am done after this year. It isn't fun. Period. I will for sure umpire and get paid to do something I like to be around. Softball as we know it will be reduced by half in the next 5 yrs if the TD's do not get together and fix it themselves. Players are as responsible as the TD's. I wish you all the best

The E division ruined the game. It is ridiculous you can have 25 E teams and 5 D teams in a tourney these days. When at least half those teams have no business playing E. It is the main reason why softball just isnt the same. This comes down to the directors. If your team has sponsors, uniforms, plays the five man, and can poopie, what the hell is that kind of a team playing E for. If I was a director I would use my common sence and judgement and would evaluate every team that entered my tourney and place them where I thought they belong. I used to think the C division was bad but since all of this E bullshit has startes there is no more C division!

The E division ruined the game. It is ridiculous you can have 25 E teams and 5 D teams in a tourney these days. When at least half those teams have no business playing E. It is the main reason why softball just isnt the same. This comes down to the directors. If your team has sponsors, uniforms, plays the five man, and can poopie, what the hell is that kind of a team playing E for. If I was a director I would use my common sence and judgement and would evaluate every team that entered my tourney and place them where I thought they belong. I used to think the C division was bad but since all of this E bullshit has startes there is no more C division!

Guys, an earlier post had it right, it's a business now. If one Association does something to discourage it's consumers then the other Associations will do something to draw them to THEIR Association. I dont think the directors of these associations will work together, they are each others competitors. Each is fighting for you to go their way. Just have fun and "Respect the game, the rest is easy".

softball has benn reduced in half already, in the previous 5 years. 4 "upper" teams....1 B and 3 C now? That used to be a Sunday morning winners bracket. The number of D and E teams have also declined, people think everybody is playing down but I think there aren't enough players/teams coming in to repace the ones leaving.

It's sad really. And I do think it will get worse before it gets better. Sorry, I'm not smart enough to have any ideas to get "better draws"

I think its a combination of a few things. Entry fee(non sponsored teams), TD'd not enforcing rules, sanbagging, and too many tourney in one area per weekend. I agree it would take a collective effort to cleanup the game but it has to start with the Associations and TD's enforcing the rules. One thing that would help the prices would be to just give out trophies and T-shirts like they did back in the day there is no need for prize packages. I also agree 100% that if a team is fully sponsored,has been playing in E for more than 2 years and has won a bunch of tourneys it should be moved up to D. This also goes for the other divisions as well.

There are only so many weekends during the course of a softball season to hold tournaments. There are only so many teams in any given zone (Nor Cal, NNV, Central Cal, SO. Cal etc..)

Therefore in order to MAXIMIZE each weekend the associations need to all sit down and split up the weekends prior to the season starting.

For instance (using round numbers)if you have 30 weekends that a tournament can take place those 30 weekends need to be split up amongst the associations and designated weekends can only be used by the association that weekend has been assigned to.

Why have (2) 15 team E tournaments, different associations, when you possibly could have had a 30 team tournament 1 association?

There is only so much money that can be made during a season period.

All associations should follow USSSA with open tournies since C and above teams are far and few between.

You can stretch, pull, tug, wish,steal, minipulate, all you wants (TD's) but there are only so many teams, so many weekends, and so much money to go around.

You all should just take your portion of the pie and quit trying to hog the whole damn thing. Grow up and come together and stop acting like lil children (JM, Keith, and BG. DON'T TAKE ALL THE COOKIES OUT OF THE COOKIE JAR AT ONE TIME!

It is on each organization to schedule the fields with the cities or whomever owns the fields. That is something you need to take ownership on if this was to be implemented, and NOT to be used as an excuse.

As my good friend use to tell me, the 7 P's:

Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

- A former World Champ

make them double elim. i hate the 3gg when half the teams attitude is "oh this game doesnt even matter, the next one does." each game matters. im not going to play half ass just because we still get another game. >play like someone is seeing you play for the first time.<

I believe that the composite bats are ruining the game. I play half of what I used to because I am tired of it. A lot of the new players to the game have very little respect for the game or other players. They get a shaved stick from their buddy hit some bp and suddenly they wonder why they gave up on little league etc. They can suddenly drop bombs or blow people up. Hey they are going to start playing these softball tournaments now. They did not know it was so easy. I refuse to cheat. I know this is putting my team at a disadvantage in some tourneys but we can be proud to say we don't have a shaved stick. I would love to play all aluminum again. If that day comes while i am young enough i will play 2-3 weekends a month again. Until then we will pick and choose the tourneys we play.

Roster Integrity.

Personally, I can't play in the Spring due to coaching my girls team on the weekends. Therefore I haven't been on a steady team in a few years. Where do the rosters from these tournaments end up?

I understand not paying attention to fundraisers, but of the 6 NSA/USSSA tournaments I have played in this year, not once have I ended up in the NSA/USSSA database. Last year the only 2 that got recorded were two tourneys I didn't even play in. The ones I did play in, not entered. I know I have filled out rosters at every tourney, so its not on the coaches.

Give away T-shirts only for E Tourneys. When you are playing cash tourneys, and tourneys giving away bats, roller bags, etc, teams are going to play down for the prize.

you get rid of e div , all those teams have no choice but to filter into the d and above division but the dir are all about MONEY so probably would never happen

I say keep the E div. just no; states-worlds-prizes-HR's and maybe only allowed to use metal bats. But it would be nice to be able to play in more then just league and it would be a place for the out of shape or non-athletic guys and also would be a place for us really old guys to play in a tournament type format and against teams from out of the area!

Personally, i like the 3gg, especially with the prices of tournies. Tds are making money off of everyone, so why not get a bang for your buck? (yeah yeah, i know some of you will say, "play better and you'll get more than 2 games in", but c'mon, every team has bad weekends where you just dont have it.) Besides, the longer im at the park, the less time im at home. lol Thats why we play right, to have fun and get out of the house?

Sandbagging isnt helping. Why would teams want to continue to play down? We all know there are quite a few teams that have been playing E for multiple years. Its one thing to be a crappy E team that NEEDS to play down every year, and then there are those teams that win tournies, but continue to stay down. Theres also those teams who do good in one association, get bumped up to D, and then play E the next year in a different association.

Theres also that name change thing. Change your team name, play down. Misspell a name on a roster and youre good. Joseph is a D* player, but Joe is now an E player. Throw a "jr" on somebodies name also works. Im sure you all have also seen putting the last name first, first name last. Idiots.

Ah, the bats. The light sabers, glass, cheater sticks, instant hr threat, etc. As someone said, his team (mine too) doesnt cheat, but is put at a disadvantage, playing against those teams that do cheat. Theres no integrity in this game anymore. A lot of players bitch and cry about the mush balls, but hello....its the players fault for using shaved ass bats. Poor little guy that was hitting 300 foot "bombs" 2 years ago with his shaved bat. Change the balls and now that same guy isnt hitting them. Take a little more out of the bat, right?

All in all, it falls in the hands of the tournament directors. Do your jobs guys. Why do i legitly fill out my roster, while others arent? Why arent you guys checking? If someone wants to protest another team, all of a sudden that guy is a bitch/fag/pussy. It wouldnt come down to that if you all policed things better. Also, quit having so many damn tournaments every weekend. This weekend, there are 4 E utrip tournies, 2 NSA tournies, and now theres this ISA shit too? lol Its nice to have options, so teams dont have to drive too far away, but at the same time, theyre watered down. Its funny seeing teams that play in a lot of these 8 team tournies who think theyre good, but get their asses kicked in the 20+ team tournies.

Enough out of me though. Nothing will get done about any of this. Rant over.

Since U-trip has an E World Tourney, E isn't going away. Too much money involved and it is the stepping stone for all relatively new teams to begin playing tourney ball. One of the real problems causing the decline of tourney draws is the glaring difference in the competitive level of E teams versus D teams. I'm not buying the theory that teams are just out there to "have fun". Looks to me like every team is out there to win games. There is also a difference between D and C teams as well, just not as big of a gap. This creates a negative atmosphere for E teams to make the jump into D and so on. The "Upper" or "Open" caliber teams are really good in Nor Cal. No fun getting your teeth kicked in every time you go out. As a team, you need to find which level you can compete at and stay there. I'm not sure what brought on this thread, because it looks to me like E teams are getting great tourney draws every weekend. It's the D and above that is hurting. I think its just an off year. Only about 10 U-trip D teams playing in State's this weekend. That tells you a lot. Maybe if we all got kicked up to 'C' next year, the 'D' division will regrow with a bunch of 'E' teams moving up. As for poor draws in 'D' and above events, my solution is that all D coaches/sponsors get together on this site more often and try and collaborate playing events on the same weekend to "CREATE" the most competitive tourneys we can. Obviously the TD's don't have a solution to the problem, so we as players should create one.

So, I know all the big boys are on here going 'get rid of e' but really? 'e' needs to go back to the people just coming back to the game and that want to be ut there for some fun. Now also, has anyone mentioned how horrible some of the umpires have gotten? Because I personally refuse to play in certain tournaments due to the umpires I know will be out there don't know crap. Also, I understand that softball is the grown up version of HS but has anyone thought that because certain directors are buddy buddy with teams that most people don't want to come in and play against them cause they know that the team that shouldn't win is going to just because it's probably a team the director put together? Anyway, that's my feelings, I mostly just want knowlegable umpires out there.

this has happened because softball has become a business. the 3or 4gg are the result of justifying the $275 or 300 a tournament(i for one like the 3or 4gg)........letting all the teams play down is the result of the fear in losing bidness $$$$( i think that has hurt softball)......... 6 team tourneys is the result of people being poor and wanting to stay local and the directors are just acomindating it........... I dont think the overall teams are in decline its just with more tourneys offerd makes it look that way...........one thing i see thats on the upswing are the FUNDRAISER TOURNAMENTS players want to help suppport other teams fundraisers and thats a great thing, ive found the fundraisers are the most fun like the WEST COAST and CALILOVE tourneys.................but to sum this thing all up in one word........CAPITALISM

I call BULLSH*T. Keep the E division. Give them a chance to get in the game and move up. This is the only place you will get new teams to play. Give them a prize package like everyone else but just don't make it big. One year we won a tourney in Pleasanton and Bryan gave us a chance to order custome jerseys for the team. It wasn't a big package but it gave us the courage to start playing up and try and win a bigger package like bats,bags,travel money etc. I put the blame on the TD'S for not doing there job like they are suppose to. If your going to run a tournie do it right. Make sure you do roster checks before every game and tell people to bring ID. If your ranked D you don't play E and if your not on the roster then you don't play period. This forces every team to turn in a valid roster. If the TD'S don't enforce it then the program will never be FIXED.

There is a lot of good points being made here. Great topic! Why is it that you never have a TD post a reponse or give there opinion on this situation???

With NSA coming on the scene a few years ago they have flooded Nor Cal with softball tournaments every weekend. Before NSA it was WSA and remember at the beginning of WSA here in Nor Cal, everyone wanted to play it. More homeruns, good balls, different rankings, etc. But what happened to WSA, they started throwing multiple tournaments every weekend which ended up making it more of a joke then anything to really "qualify" for.

The only way we can get back to bigger tournaments is to have NSA and USSSA map out the year and stick to it. Right now its an absolute mess.

it's simple, when alm,ost all of the td's do not have real jobs they look at the money so that's why a 6-12 team tournament looks good to them.

The current E program is definitely preventing true rec teams to compete and make it worth their while. So how can the numbers grow when you don't have a way to get more people involved? Depending on the size of the tourney, the top 4 or so teams should have to play up for a couple of tourney's. The association (specifically u-trip) would see growth regardless of the competition. Definitely get rid of composite bats.

Softball good, whining about softball bad

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh NSA came to Nor Cal in the Early 90's. I played in the NSA Western Worlds in 1994 in Oregon. Brian just brought it to another level in the Valley.

I would rather now drive to 6 - 10 team tourneys and play 4 games than drive 2 hours to play 2.

Keep the 3/4 guarantee don't care if I have to pay 25 to play.

I would say that C should be the flooded division in softball. To accomplish this you would need to make E a "no homerun" and "2 D chip max", division. All of the competitive players will then want to play no lower than D only allowing "2 C chip max" to compete in D. Now when a team competes at a D tournament every player is frozen to that roster/team and is ranked to that corresponding level. If that team wins 2 qualifying tournaments they automaticaly get bumped up and play C for the rest of the year but can compete in the D worlds for that year only but must move up to C the following year. This means that once you have competed in C everyone associated to that team/roster is now ranked as a C player. If you win Worlds your team/roster automatically gets bumped to the next level. This would prevent teams from changing their team name to play down because the chip max and player ranking would not allow for that to happen. Also way too many tournaments on the same weekend. If you are only drawing 6-7 teams a weekend you can't be making that much money to make it worth your effort. The goal should be for a 16 team tournament draw per division. Like a few of you have said, money is what's hurting this recreational sport. That being said, no matter what happens we all still love to play this game.

You nailed it. That's how it was back in the day.

NO D ranked players are allowed to play E. You are fuckin gay if you are a D ranked player and trying to play E.

Simple get rid of E nationals for 5 years so D and C programs can get back to where they were ten years ago , which means that about 60% of the good E teams can start playing D again and the good D teams can play C again , then the teams that are going 0-2 or 0-3 have a fn chance to maybe win some games and get better to build better teams and programs , from what i have seen here in NNV there are several great ball players here who only play league because there league team wont play tournys cause they ll draw a legit E/D team and get smoked by 20 runs twice go 0-2 which means they wont wanna spend 30 bucks a guy every other weekend , so there goes decent guys right there , i have talked to soooo many people about this but all the directors want is there 30 E teams money bottom line . I feel the good teams that should play up right now will still play softball if there was no E worlds , it just means they would actually have to play harder and much better to earn your births to D then just get handed one for E thats all

I don't think the directors are going to lose money by limiting the E program. I do beieve that they would draw more teams by forcing teams and/or players to compete at a higher level when they win a couple of tourneys. The E money would simply be made at the D level. The competive E players are not going to go away if E was limited. They would move up and fill the D division if that was the lowest division available to them. It has been proven that teams/players will not take it upon themselves to play up. It is up to the associations to force these teams and/or players to do so. Mind you all of this is merely suggestive rhetoric because things are not going to change anytime soon. So lets just continue to play ball.

maybe they just dont care very much. with everything else usssa is in (little league etc.) are just a drop in the bucket to them? if we were their bread and butter wouldnt these problems be fixed like...yesterday?

Softball Guy's need to get a life!

How about keep everything the same but if you win an e tourney you get bumped right away and can't play e anymore and all your players get bumped so you can't change the team name or jump ship.

And how about stop fucking all the teams over with the high prices shitty prizes and shitty balls our teams are putting a lot of money out there for the dickhead directors to give out tshirts and using shitty balls

Then stop using shitty dirty sticks.

You seem to have stuck a cord here Mitz!

Your Mom needs to get a life and tell her to SHAVE HER BACK you drift. Anthony

Rome is a geek/nerd. A rich nerd/geek at that. Dude was a nerd growing up and now he's "so cool", hip with the lingo. Looked like a gay boy when Jim Everett went nuts on him on set years back slamming Romey Girl to the ground. IP 67.174.32.196 are you a CLONE? Sounds like it, following a curly haired shit talking faggot.

WTF IS A CLONE????HAHAHAHA

If teams are paying so much money to play offer them a chance to get recognized accordingly. Directors should start staffing the tourneys with scorebookers and ranking players individually. Offer an accurate all-tourney team at each level. Allow players to earn all-tourney 3 times in a division before bumping the individuals to the next level. This should be done in E and D, allow C and above to be as good as they can get. Teams will start moving up if their players are good enough to and they are made to. Then you will be able to regulate the teams and offer fairness to all who play. There shouldn't be any guys regularly hitting .650 and above unless they are in the C division or higher but plenty of guys are right now. That shows that they are capable of playing at a higher level. Create a list for players who have been bumped but their team won't move up (free agents) this will allow any and all teams to get stronger and for each division to grow fairly without discriminating against players.

Above post is from Jesse, didn't want to "no-name"

problem is every one is crying about something, bats, balls, e teams with unis, umps, dug outs, fields, rankings, the list goes on and on, how about try another sport

softball good. whining about softball bad

if youre not winning, youre whining.

ALL THE COMMENTS ARE FAIRLY ACCURATE.ALOT OF TD'S ARE OUT TO MAKE A PROFIT.I AM LUCKY IF I GET ONE TOURNAY A MONTH TO HELP REBUILD THE ASA IN CENTRAL-CAL.WITH OUR BOSSES TELLING US TO OVER RIDE OTHER TOURNEYS,IT HURTS THE GAME.BECAUSE YOUR RIGHT,IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO PLAY IN WHAT YOU KNOW YOUR GOING TO GO THERE.WHEATHER IT 6 TEAMS OR 20 TEAMS.IT IS NOT ABOUT NSA, USSSA, ASA,ISA,WSA ITS ABOUT THE PLAYERS AND WHAT THEY WANT.IF THE TD'S WOULD START DOING IT FOR THE PLAYERS IT WOULD BE BETTER.AS FAR AS BALLS GO,EACH ASSOC: HAS TO GO BY WHAT THE INSURANCE CO. THAT IS IS PUTTING UP THE POLICY FOR THE TOURNAMENT SAYS.THE BAT PROBLEM IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL THEY GET RID OF COMP OR ENOUGH PLAYERS DIE.SO FROM ME TO ALL OF YOU,I HAVE A NORMAL JOB AND HAVE PLAYED FOR YEARS STILL PAY MY 175 TO 300 TO PLAY BUT WANT MORE TEAMS.SO GO WITH ONE ASSOC A YEAR UNTIL THEY SCREW YA. GOOD LUCK KEN GIDEON

Dam the 1st TD to chime in. Were are the rest of you FRICKEN THIEVES?

All the good ideas are on here but is anybody listening. Too much has changed in softball in the last decade. There should be no "E" worlds. There should be no D players in E. If there is so much competition for tournies it seems like the consistantly lower priced product would prevail. Still yet there is an untangable in softball that has changed in my heart that needs to be revealed. Getting back to playing with your friends and coworkers instead of trying to build superteams as if , at the end of the day, winning a tournament was more important than the reason we are out there playing....fun.

We tried to enter 3 seperate tournaments listed as C/D or D in 3 seperate cities this weekend but could not because we aren't an E team. Awesome!

should have gone to Manteca, were there are 6 C teams and 48 E. now that is awesome!

I am new to Nor Cal softball (only been here last season and this season). My team mostly plays NSA, but I think that the top 10-15 "E" teams should be moved up to "D". I have played against and watched some "E" teams that DEFINITELY SHOULD BE PLAYING AT LEAST "D" BALL. Now I am a little bit older guy, but I can compete in either "D" or "E", but there are far too many good players dropping down to play "E". Couple that with the "FANCY" bats that half these guys are swinging, and it not only becomes non-competitive, BUT IT IS DANGEROUS. I wouldn't mind playing against upper level talent, but the TD's definitely need to take a look at all these "doctored" bats. That being said, these two issues are all over the game here in the states, it's not just Nor Cal. TD's need to step up and police this more heavily. I ain't whining, just speakin the truth gentlemen.

no dropping levels. if your D you can only play D and up, and so on and so forth. keep everyone in the division they belong in.

When you have a Tournament, The TD supplies the bats that can ONLY BE USED!! All TD's know who everybody is. TD's need to certain players know they can't play in that Division!! BUT TD's don't care, they know it'll cause less teams to show and this gives them less money in their pockets! Quit having Tournaments with less than 8-12 Teams. This 4-6 Team bracket, triple elimination, play the same team 4-5 times is ridiculous! Just so they have more money in their pocket. Giving out shirts for 1st & 2nd is great. Giving out glasses or mugs, is just a waste of money. When people see they're getting a mug for all-tourney, they say give it to someone else! I see teams in the E Division that never win games, because of the sandbaggers. They refuse to come back, so we have less Teams for Tournaments.

For other players who have played for years and have reached and surpassed 40 years of age it pains me to say the pain is what keeps me from playing the amount of tourney ball as I would like.Being able to physically compete come the 3rd and 4th and 5th gamesin the heat at golden eagle has become harder to do every year. I would welcome more 40+ tourney's and would play more if these tourney's were available.

TDs are making to much money of 35+ e tournys so there not gonna stop. But you do need to do something cause softball sucks right now!

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